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Old 08-26-2009, 10:18 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Yeah thanks Edogg. How can I space with him? And I do use Zair a lot (@SoulSeizures) but I mess it up a lot, or sometimes mess up trying to follow up. Another thing I have trouble with is the thing where your on the ledge, and jump back up doing Link's fair. But I just need a lot of practice.
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A good guide there Abyss. But kind of short, you could go more in depth on his attacks and some vids would be good too. Im not a Link mainer/user but I believe his Zair and projectiles are good for spacing.
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Originally Posted by Abyss View Post
Yeah thanks Edogg. How can I space with him? And I do use Zair a lot (@SoulSeizures) but I mess it up a lot, or sometimes mess up trying to follow up. Another thing I have trouble with is the thing where your on the ledge, and jump back up doing Link's fair. But I just need a lot of practice.
Zairs are your most effective tool for spacing but you should also space with projectiles as well.

Usually ppl follow up a zair with a DACUS, dash attack, another Z-air, or even some jab cancels. Try some of those follow-ups.

Yeah doing that takes alot of practice since he is so heavy, even harder online because of lag and input delays. If done fast enough, you can even do a ledge hop dair.

Here is an example of Link's projectile and spacing game from a Jap player named Hashimo. Camping and spamming at it finest. :P
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Damn Snake got pwned! Lol wow that Link player was freaking demonic. He uses the projectiles sorta like how I do. I'll have to try Zairing more and making more use of projectiles.

Is that what your Link was like Edogg? Lol

Umm question. How did he do that jab cancelling stuff? Like he kept doing double swipes, but no stab? I just watched the Izaw one and wow he is 2pro.
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Damn Snake got pwned! Lol wow that Link player was freaking demonic. He uses the projectiles sorta like how I do. I'll have to try Zairing more and making more use of projectiles.

Is that what your Link was like Edogg? Lol

Umm question. How did he do that jab cancelling stuff? Like he kept doing double swipes, but no stab? I just watched the Izaw one and wow he is 2pro.
My link was somewhat like that.
Still was room for improvement on spacing and projectile game.

Jab canceling is kinda easy and requires fast input.

A -> A -> Down (The down quickly cancels your finishing stab input so you can do another move.

If your talking about that vid of Izaw were he kept canceling against that Meta Knight then all he did was:

A -> A -> Down, A -> A -> Down and just keep repeating.
Remember you have to input those commands real quick so you will be able to lock your opponent in the combo at low to mid percentages.
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Originally Posted by EDogg88 View Post
My link was somewhat like that.
Still was room for improvement on spacing and projectile game.

Jab canceling is kinda easy and requires fast input.

A -> A -> Down (The down quickly cancels your finishing stab input so you can do another move.

If your talking about that vid of Izaw were he kept canceling against that Meta Knight then all he did was:

A -> A -> Down, A -> A -> Down and just keep repeating.
Remember you have to input those commands real quick so you will be able to lock your opponent in the combo at low to mid percentages.
I was just Brawling online with Isaac of this site. I was practicing jab canceling and Zairing. I got it to work. The jab cancelings were very hard. Most of the time I did link's down tilt after the second jab. As for Zairing, I could do it, but my opponent a lot of the times knew how to counter it.

I also went crazy with bombs and projectiles and such, and that sometimes worked good, too.
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I was just Brawling online with Isaac of this site. I was practicing jab canceling and Zairing. I got it to work. The jab cancelings were very hard. Most of the time I did link's down tilt after the second jab. As for Zairing, I could do it, but my opponent a lot of the times knew how to counter it.

I also went crazy with bombs and projectiles and such, and that sometimes worked good, too.
Cool, you making improvements then. =)

As for the countering zair since alot of link users use that as an approach, I recommend holding a bomb since you can hold bombs while executing zairs. That way you can mix up the approach.

Just keep praciting bro and you will be 2pro with Link.
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Originally Posted by EDogg88 View Post
Cool, you making improvements then. =)

As for the countering zair since alot of link users use that as an approach, I recommend holding a bomb since you can hold bombs while executing zairs. That way you can mix up the approach.

Just keep praciting bro and you will be 2pro with Link.
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As for your training Abyss, keep up the work on that jab cancel, as Edogg said, you have to input the commands at a rather speedy pace, but once you get it down, it leads into to good amount of attacks. Try working around with a jab cancel --> dsmash.

Just keep up the:
A -> A -> down tap -> A -> A -> Dsmash.
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Originally Posted by EDogg88 View Post
Cool, you making improvements then. =)

As for the countering zair since alot of link users use that as an approach, I recommend holding a bomb since you can hold bombs while executing zairs. That way you can mix up the approach.

Just keep praciting bro and you will be 2pro with Link.
Zair with bombs? But when I press Z while I have a bomb makes me drop it. I like mixing up bombs, and picking up already airborne ones and tossing them. I also LOVE Z-dropping bombs while being knocked back or in the air. It's so inconspicuous cause Link doesn't lag since he doesn't have to force throw it he just drops it lightly, if you get my jist.

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As for your training Abyss, keep up the work on that jab cancel, as Edogg said, you have to input the commands at a rather speedy pace, but once you get it down, it leads into to good amount of attacks. Try working around with a jab cancel --> dsmash.

Just keep up the:
A -> A -> down tap -> A -> A -> Dsmash.
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And thanks for the support guys by the way. I was fighting Isaac's King DeDeDe and I could NEVER beat his DeDeDe. But I'm sure I'll improve (over time). It'll take a few months maybe.

I screw up a lot of my ATs and other attacks and look like a total n00b sometimes. It's really hard perfecting my fighting style.
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Yeah Abyss, you can zair with a bomb in your hand. While your in the air, do an air dodge then immediately follow-up with a Zair.

The inputs should be something like:

(With a bomb in hand) Jump -> L -> Z (press while still in airdodge animation)
Thats should make you do a zair while holding a bomb.


DDD is one of links toughest matchups. Close combat fails against DDD since Link leave so many openings for chain grab rape. Best way to fight a DDD is to KEEP AWAY FROM TEH GRAB. Spam and keep your spacing against him since DDD is a big target. When his damage is high enough for the kill try to kill him using the Ftilt, Fsmash or Spin Attack. Its easier to kill him sideways of the stage rather than going for a star (upward) kill. Also, you may want to stay away from edges and keep a bomb in handy at all times to avoid cg and gimp rape.
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Yeah Abyss, you can zair with a bomb in your hand. While your in the air, do an air dodge then immediately follow-up with a Zair.

The inputs should be something like:

(With a bomb in hand) Jump -> L -> Z (press while still in airdodge animation)
Thats should make you do a zair while holding a bomb.


DDD is one of links toughest matchups. Close combat fails against DDD since Link leave so many openings for chain grab rape. Best way to fight a DDD is to KEEP AWAY FROM TEH GRAB. Spam and keep your spacing against him since DDD is a big target. When his damage is high enough for the kill try to kill him using the Ftilt, Fsmash or Spin Attack. Its easier to kill him sideways of the stage rather than going for a star (upward) kill. Also, you may want to stay away from edges and keep a bomb in handy at all times to avoid cg and gimp rape.
Kool thanks. And I tried spamming and keeping my distance, but he just keeps throwing Waddle Dees/Doos at me to counter. And yes, his DeDeDe was a grabbing whore. It was getting to the point where I was getting really annoyed cause he wouldn't stop grabbing me and throwing me off the edge like he was trying to prevent me from ever getting back on stage again.
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Kool thanks. And I tried spamming and keeping my distance, but he just keeps throwing Waddle Dees/Doos at me to counter. And yes, his DeDeDe was a grabbing whore. It was getting to the point where I was getting really annoyed cause he wouldn't stop grabbing me and throwing me off the edge like he was trying to prevent me from ever getting back on stage again.

hmmm...I see. Try to overrun his waddle spam with your spam. Link has the ability to outspam a DDD with proper techs and etc. Also, try to take advantage of some of the startup lag DDD's waddle throw has or even mindgame the player to thinking your goin to fight him close range but you actually go back into a spamming retreat.
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