Why quick claw

[Chaddy]

I'm not "rebelling" against rules or anything. I just don't see what's the big deal? I wouldn't even be bothered about losing to a bit of luck, things like that happen. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day, cause it's Pokemon....it's a bit of fun.

[gamer22]

Originally Posted by greetest lol its nothing like that we are just wondering why? i mean honestly are you saying with out these items there is no luck at all involved in the game seriously

of course there is luck like crits burn freeze etc
people just dont like that item for what it can do

if you have done battle tower battles and lost because of that then you will see why its annoying

i got haxed bad because of that item in battle tower it activated twice where i could of outspeeded

i didnt make the rules but i like the rules
battles are still fun many people enjoy it

[greetest]

Originally Posted by gamer22 of course there is luck like crits burn freeze etc people just dont like that item for what it can do if you have done battle tower battles and lost because of that then you will see why its annoying i got haxed bad because of that item in battle tower it activated twice where i could of outspeeded

Dude we all been there but you can't say it wasn't fun like the intense battle and the trading blow for blow and it comes down to luck or chance lol sometimes its in you favor but those are the things that make people laugh later. I mean i have a friend who believes anything that involves luck any attacks in any game should be band but we tried that and ill admit its pure skills but yet it isnt as fun taking chances when its like that.

BTW vs random kid focus band hung on 2x lol that was sick lol i almost lost but i was prepared my poision jab poisoned him and if that didn't work had a arcanine with ex speed.

BTW were not tryin to change the rules sure there fun just trying to have a discussion with out any agression where people like me can actually come out and say hey i like those things lol. and not be called a noob or Jerk lol.

[Kenpari]

The items like Quick Claw and Focus Band rely completely on luck, and can take all of the effort away that somebody put into a match... it just isn't fair. And for who said Life Orbs aren't fair, that's just not true. Life Orbs also take HP away from the user. If life orbs are unfair, then leftovers are unfair, and I know that you'll probably say yes to that as well. You'll start saying all items aren't fair.

Thing is we would rather competitive battles be based more on skill and less on luck.

About moves with side effects, it just can't be helped. Some movesets purposely focus on the use of moves that have higher chances of paralyzing, flinching, etc., however. Then there are Pokemon like Togekiss who have Serene Grace and rely solely on this kind of stuff. I guess with moves it can be turned to luck with a freeze or something else, but that just can't be helped. They're good moves, so why not? Items we just view a bit differently, it's preventable. Like I said, we try to rely the least on luck as we can, but taking out moves that have a chance of burning/paralyzing/freezing/etc. is just unreasonable.

[Chaddy]

But the entire game is based on luck.
- Luck of bumping into the right pokemon.
- Luck of critical hits.
- Luck of being paralyzed/asleep/poisoned etc.
- Luck of moves hitting.

Do you really think they would give percentages if it wasn't based on luck? For example:

"This attack has 30% of paralysing the foe".

[greetest]

Originally Posted by Chaddy But the entire game is based on luck. - Luck of bumping into the right pokemon. - Luck of critical hits. - Luck of being paralyzed/asleep/poisoned etc. - Luck of moves hitting. Do you really think they would give percentages if it wasn't based on luck? For example: "This attack has 30% of paralysing the foe".

Dang chaddy you on a role i didnt think of that. thats soo true

Originally Posted by Kenpari The items like Quick Claw and Focus Band rely completely on luck, and can take all of the effort away that somebody put into a match... it just isn't fair. And for who said Life Orbs aren't fair, that's just not true. Life Orbs also take HP away from the user. If life orbs are unfair, then leftovers are unfair, and I know that you'll probably say yes to that as well. You'll start saying all items aren't fair. Thing is we would rather competitive battles be based more on skill and less on luck. About moves with side effects, it just can't be helped. Some movesets purposely focus on the use of moves that have higher chances of paralyzing, flinching, etc., however. Then there are Pokemon like Togekiss who have Serene Grace and rely solely on this kind of stuff. I guess with moves it can be turned to luck with a freeze or something else, but that just can't be helped. They're good moves, so why not? Items we just view a bit differently, it's preventable. Like I said, we try to rely the least on luck as we can, but taking out moves that have a chance of burning/paralyzing/freezing/etc. is just unreasonable.

No offense dude no one said life orb was unfair. We think everything is fair in a way. also why is taking out these moves unfair i mean if you take out all of them it is very far no pokemon allowed moves with double effects that wouldn't do anything beside make people use different pokemons that ability didn't rely on that lol. In the end luck is key just because you have the power to control something doesn't mean you should. what will happen if they make a pokemon that can intensify item effects for ex. its called Sabledie its about intensfiy= pokemon holding the item can use it 2x or the items chances of working is 2x and effects are 2x. and its giving to a fair amount of pokemons as abilities what then Life kills OHKO almost for sure Bright powder gets rediculous powers.

No one thinks life orb is cheap. BTW

ONCE AGAIN WE AREN'T CHANGING THE RULES JST EXPRESSING OUR SELFS AND CALM CONVO IS ALL.

[Chaddy]

Originally Posted by greetest Dang chaddy you on a role i didnt think of that. thats soo true No offense dude no one said life orb was unfair. We think everything is fair in a way. also why is taking out these moves unfair i mean if you take out all of them it is very far no pokemon allowed moves with double effects that wouldn't do anything beside make people use different pokemons that ability didn't rely on that lol. In the end luck is key just because you have the power to control something doesn't mean you should. what will happen if they make a pokemon that can intensify item effects for ex. its called Sabledie its about intensfiy= pokemon holding the item can use it 2x or the items chances of working is 2x and effects are 2x. and its giving to a fair amount of pokemons as abilities what then Life kills OHKO almost for sure Bright powder gets rediculous powers. No one thinks life orb is cheap. BTW ONCE AGAIN WE AREN'T CHANGING THE RULES JST EXPRESSING OUR SELFS AND CALM CONVO IS ALL.

To be honest, it's just common sense to know that the AI just randomly throws stuff your way.

[SuperSonic]

People a lot smarter than any of us put a lot of work in to making the "standard" rules of Pokeymans so that it's as fun as possible for everyone, and to make the game have as much strategy and skill as possible.

There are always people that will whine about rules, take when they moved Garchomp to Uber, a ton of people whined like crazy because they couldn't use their generic whore in standard battles no more. But the fact of the matter is, doing so made the game a heck of a lot more fun and varied for everyone, since EVERY team didn't have to have a spot reserved for not only Garchomp, but at least one poke specifically to counter Garchomp.

You brought up Double Team as an example, but have you ever fought something that's sat there and double teamed 5 times? Not fun. Yes, you could argue that it can be countered by moves like Aura Sphere, but then that would over-centralise the game like crazy, with every team having to include Lucario with Aura Sphere, with the rest containing bulky attackers with Double Team, since the move gives such an obviously huge advantage. That's not even going into the amount of ways it could be abused. Spiritomb with Double Team? Aura Sphere wouldn't hit, and ArialAce wouldn't make a scratch. EVERY team would have one of those too.

Then there's the luck... Quick Claw and such, as has been stated 9000 times now, are just unfair. People put so much effort into raising their pokes it's untrue, but then if items like Quick Claw that just make the game total luck (as if there isn't enough of that already that CAN'T be removed) what would be the point? If you ask me, the only people that would want that, are the ones who don't have any skill and need to rely on luck, ie. the ones that haven't put effort in and don't deserve to win. And that's coming from one of the most laid-back players you'll find.

We can argue this forever, but when at least 90% of players, most of which seem to know a lot more about the game than you (no offense intended) have no problem with the rules as they are and agree with them, like in this case, surely you must just accept that it's for the best?

Also, these rules aren't set in stone you know. You can battle with whatever rules in place you want if you agree to it first... Good luck finding someone who knows anything about the game agreeing to them. x]

[BIM]

I think an easier way to argue against these items is to look from the receiving end of this luck

Imagine you are the one with a max speed scarfed (insert random pokemon) you have a move that will OHKO opposing pokemon because you have also trained in attack and then you get hit with a stab super effective move that was only allowed to go first because of quick claw

then imagine that because you aren't using standard rules they send out a scarfed brelloom and put your other 5 pokemon to sleep unopposed because your scarfer is dead so you can't counter the speed and spore will never miss

All of the rules are made for a reason, sometimes understanding them isn't easy (I agree sometimes they limit your strategy) but it really makes matches no fun when you can't counter due to hax and abuse

[greetest]

Originally Posted by SuperSonic People a lot smarter than any of us put a lot of work in to making the "standard" rules of Pokeymans so that it's as fun as possible for everyone, and to make the game have as much strategy and skill as possible. There are always people that will whine about rules, take when they moved Garchomp to Uber, a ton of people whined like crazy because they couldn't use their generic whore in standard battles no more. But the fact of the matter is, doing so made the game a heck of a lot more fun and varied for everyone, since EVERY team didn't have to have a spot reserved for not only Garchomp, but at least one poke specifically to counter Garchomp. You brought up Double Team as an example, but have you ever fought something that's sat there and double teamed 5 times? Not fun. Yes, you could argue that it can be countered by moves like Aura Sphere, but then that would over-centralise the game like crazy, with every team having to include Lucario with Aura Sphere, with the rest containing bulky attackers with Double Team, since the move gives such an obviously huge advantage. That's not even going into the amount of ways it could be abused. Spiritomb with Double Team? Aura Sphere wouldn't hit, and ArialAce wouldn't make a scratch. EVERY team would have one of those too. Then there's the luck... Quick Claw and such, as has been stated 9000 times now, are just unfair. People put so much effort into raising their pokes it's untrue, but then if items like Quick Claw that just make the game total luck (as if there isn't enough of that already that CAN'T be removed) what would be the point? If you ask me, the only people that would want that, are the ones who don't have any skill and need to rely on luck, ie. the ones that haven't put effort in and don't deserve to win. And that's coming from one of the most laid-back players you'll find. We can argue this forever, but when at least 90% of players, most of which seem to know a lot more about the game than you (no offense intended) have no problem with the rules as they are and agree with them, like in this case, surely you must just accept that it's for the best? Also, these rules aren't set in stone you know. You can battle with whatever rules in place you want if you agree to it first... Good luck finding someone who knows anything about the game agreeing to them. x]

Honestly i do know a lot about the game i have been in these situations i didn't understand or know why Double team was band. IMO it still shouldn't be i have been owned by people who do that but i just jump in and try my best to KO that pokemon ASAP sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't just another part of strategy. I also have no problem with the rules I dont honestly hate anyone who agrees with them ether and i know i can play in other rules N.P(Beside the obivious fact that not a lot of people here like to do that or battle just for fun always league) its more of my opinion on the view they have there's and i have mines. you know im not trying to change the rules just seeing peoples opinion on the site. Sure the games fun but its fun ether way(thats my opinion) see i think it comes down to ppl stop playing for fun and got to competitive so anything that is by an effect like that people get touchy. Banning a pokemon for its stats isn't intirely fair (IMO) but i can understand that easier i mean its fun trying to fight a mew or mewtwo and all lmao but then everyone would have Deoxy, Mew, Mewtwo, Giratina, grachomp, Latios because that would just be 2 good lol(Still could have them who cares). But there is a pool of moves just like pokemon those moves doesn't give you a 100% chance neither does having that combination of pokemon.

Originally Posted by BIM I think an easier way to argue against these items is to look from the receiving end of this luck Imagine you are the one with a max speed scarfed (insert random pokemon) you have a move that will OHKO opposing pokemon because you have also trained in attack and then you get hit with a stab super effective move that was only allowed to go first because of quick claw then imagine that because you aren't using standard rules they send out a scarfed brelloom and put your other 5 pokemon to sleep unopposed because your scarfer is dead so you can't counter the speed and spore will never miss All of the rules are made for a reason, sometimes understanding them isn't easy (I agree sometimes they limit your strategy) but it really makes matches no fun when you can't counter due to hax and abuse

No dude we just arguing the items as in you still have one of each and you can have only one Pokemon asleep. now if your not playing with those rules it has happened or nearly happen to me but by chance my Pokemon wake up sometimes right away thats called luck. I said i have been in these situation before i play pokemon for fun a lot and competitively but im just more laid back then most i guess maybe one of the most laid back competitive player i know about pokemon i know about pokesav, pokerus, i know about iv,evs what pokemon gives what i knw about secondary effects i know all the terms, and i have been through tough battles annoying battles and fun battles but they all are laughable later which in results make it fun.

[BIM]

DustinR is the only person on this site that doesn't know how to enjoy battles and see the fun side

We all enjoy battling but using hax items is just infuriating sometimes, you'll never truly understand it until your entire strategy fails because of these things

[NoJ]

Originally Posted by BIM DustinR is the only person on this site that doesn't know how to enjoy battles and see the fun side We all enjoy battling but using hax items is just infuriating sometimes, you'll never truly understand it until your entire strategy fails because of these things

Exactly. These rules to make the metagame more enjoying and fair for everyone. We dont want an item to ruin 5 Dragon Dances when your HP Electric vaporeon happens to have a quick claw on it.